Once I got away from all the doom and gloom the Watchtower pumped into my mind every week, the last thing in the world I want is to let someone else do the same thing. The FACT is this. No one knows the future, it is that simple. Remember, economists have accurately predicted 12 of the previous 4 recessions. The best thing I can do for my mental health is stay away from that crap, stay out of personal debt and get on with my life. Just my 2 cents worth.
Indian Larry
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Is the U.S. headed toward financial ruin? Your opinions please....
by tresdecu innot trying to sound like a conpiracy nut...but just read this article:.
http://www.moneynews.com/archives/trump-aftershock-american-economy/2012/11/06/id/462985?promo_code=103fc-1.
is this just a lot of talk?
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Every day life in North Korea
by fulltimestudent inwhat's your reaction when you see a photograph like this?
a couple relaxing at the beach.. .
or, this, where a family enjoy a picnic in a pleasant park?.
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Indian Larry
If you would like to know what everyday life in N. Korea is really like, read this book:
Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea by Barbara Demick
A National Book Award finalist and National Book Critics Circle finalist, Barbara Demick’s Nothing to Envy is a remarkable view into North Korea, as seen through the lives of six ordinary citizens
Award-winning journalist Barbara Demick follows the lives of six North Korean citizens over fifteen years—a chaotic period that saw the death of Kim Il-sung, the rise to power of his son Kim Jong-il, and a devastating famine that killed one-fifth of the population. Demick brings to life what it means to be living under the most repressive totalitarian regime today—an Orwellian world that is by choice not connected to the Internet, where displays of affection are punished, informants are rewarded, and an offhand remark can send a person to the gulag for life. Demick takes us deep inside the country, beyond the reach of government censors, and through meticulous and sensitive reporting we see her subjects fall in love, raise families, nurture ambitions, and struggle for survival. One by one, we witness their profound, life-altering disillusionment with the government and their realization that, rather than providing them with lives of abundance, their country has betrayed them.I read it and it is a fantastic book.
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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?
by Indian Larry inbrief background:.
i am a 3rd gen witness.
several of her friends are already baptized.
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Parallpomenon - Not far fetched at all. That is the very reason I got baptised at age 18. As far as I know there are no boys in the picture. When I stopped going to the meetings, she and her mom switched halls. The new hall is very outgoing a lot of people and they are all honestly very nice. That is what makes it so hard. As far as I know there is no one putting specific pressure on her, if I was to find out someone was they would have to answer to me. My child, my business. Period.
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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?
by Indian Larry inbrief background:.
i am a 3rd gen witness.
several of her friends are already baptized.
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ruderedhead - Her mom is not pushing her, however she is happy that she wants to do it.
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How IGNORANT can you be and still be a Jehovah's Witness in GOOD standing?
by Terry inas i have said many times, i did not really study jw teachings in depth until i went to prison.. i had a period from 1959 to 1967 when i---sort of----could explain things to a shallow depth.
once i entered that profound place in my head (while in federal prison) when everything got serious.....i entered a secret room, so to speak, where.
all the mysteries were hidden!.
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Indian Larry
How IGNORANT can you be and still be a Jehovah's Witness in GOOD standing?
Have you seen some of the vids on youtube of Governing Body members speaking at conventions? That should answer your question.
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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?
by Indian Larry inbrief background:.
i am a 3rd gen witness.
several of her friends are already baptized.
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Indian Larry
I believe I remember reading somewhere that the WTBTS attoneys compared baptism to a contract in some litigation at some point in time. Can anyone point me to a verifiable quote showing that the WTBTS looks in baptism as a legal contract?
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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?
by Indian Larry inbrief background:.
i am a 3rd gen witness.
several of her friends are already baptized.
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Indian Larry
AlanV – She is well aware of a lot of the problems I have with the ORG. When her mother and I used to discuss problems I never hid it from her. I even played her about 40 min. of audio from Ray Franz (in search of Christian Freedom)
As far as college, I did play for both of them the clip of Garrit Losch comparing going to college to getting brain surgury with a rifle shot to the head. Needless to say she IS going to college. She is already (at age 15) in early college and she already has a scholarship for a full 4 year ride, textbooks and everything. She wants to go, I want her to go and her mother wants her to go so that is a done deal at least.
Yan Biblyan - I did mention that to her and that is a very good point. If Jesus waited until he was 30 why rush out in your teens? I will be sure to bring that up again.
Data-Dog - I am putting together and outline (Thanks Ministry School!) of talking points and quotes. I plan on using that. Thanks.
Jgnat: Exactly.
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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?
by Indian Larry inbrief background:.
i am a 3rd gen witness.
several of her friends are already baptized.
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Indian Larry
"If you are baptized, and later discover that being a JW doesn't make you happy, every single JW you know, including mom, will be obligated to shun you."
That is a good point. I will definately do that.
Stress how that is really a huge, lifelong commitment - much more significant than being married. Is she ready for marriage today? No? Then think twice before starting down a path that leads to that lifelong commitment.
Another point well taken.
I do have hopes for her as far as critical thinking. She will be getting (at least) a four year degree. Some of the classes she has to take are on critical thinking. I am hoping they will help.
JGNAT. She is not really willful so much as I just swept along with the social aspects of the KH.
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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?
by Indian Larry inbrief background:.
i am a 3rd gen witness.
several of her friends are already baptized.
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Brief background:
I am a 3rd gen witness. Been faded for several years. I attend 2-3 meetings per year.
I have kept all my friends (at least the ones I wanted to keep)My wife is a "true believer". Fading and all my issues with the BORG nearly cost me my marrage. We have settled in to a kind of mutual aggreement not to bother each other. I don't constantly bug her about all the things that are wrong with the WTBTS and she does not get mad at me for bugging her.
I have one child a daughter 15 yr. old. She is very intellegent. She is going to early college and is top ranked in her class. Last night she told me she wants to be an unbaptized publisher. I don't really know what to do.
I realize that this board has many members who no longer believe in the bible or religion at all. I am NOT one of those. I do still believe in God, I do believe in the bible. For those that don't that is your right and I support that, but I am looking for comments only from those that still believe in God. I am not looking for a bunch of snarky comments about Jehoba etc. etc.
I also do not have any problem with my daughter getting baptized. My problem is with her getting baptized as a Witness. I would much rather she simply get baptized as a Christian. That way she does not have to answer that second question re baptizm into an organization. I don't want her part of the BORG.
I don't want to flat out tell her that she can't. The reason for that is that she is a LOT like me, and I know that when I was that age if you told me not to do something that was a sure way to get me to do it. I have asked her to hold off until we can go over the baptism questions together.
I am looking for any good points I can bring out about the baptismal questions that she will be asked that will make her think. As I said before she is a very very intelligent person and does have a head on her shoulders. Unfortunatley, that has not been enough to overcome the pressure from the others at the hall. She has a lot of friends in the BORG, and most of them actually are nice kids. Well behaved, good kids who I don't mind her being friends with. However they do exert a type of peer pressure. Several of her friends are already baptized. The others are all unbaptized publishers. She is the last one that is not.
How can I get to her without pissing of my wife? What are the best points to focus on in the baptismal questions? Any other suggesstions? Also, as I have successfully pulled off a perfect fade with no repurcussions from the ORG, I am not looking to get myself in hot water. Not so much that I care what people thing about me, but I have elderly parents who will need me and I can't help them if I am DF'd. Also several of my closest friends are still full in the ORG. They know that I don't attend meetings but they don't let that bother them. We still do a lot of stuff socially and I would not want to lose that, so I am looking for a low profile way to reach my daughter.
Any ideas?
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Anti-climax - the NK rocket appears to have failed.
by fulltimestudent inthe uk independent reports that a nk rocked fired last night appears to have failed a short time after firing.
they cited chinese and us reports of the failure.. quote:.
north korea's widely anticipated and controversial launch of its long-range rocket was said by the us to have failed last night, with china reporting the rocket had been seen falling into the sea after taking off.. news of the rocket being fired was announced by kim min-seok, a spokesman for south korea's defence ministry, who told reporters in a nationally televised news conference that it was launched at 7.39am local time, though there was no word from pyongyang about the launch.. the united nations security council said it would discuss the launch at 1pm bst today.. the launch had long been expected but its timing came as something of a surprise as fierce winds whipping across the korean peninsula had apparently forced pyongyang to delay.. unquote.
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Need to check the date on the article you linked to. That was LAST year. The current situation is still ongoing. They have not attempted to lauch as of yet.